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Court4Fred
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Posted - 08/19/2007 : 09:02:05 AM
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| No one should be accepting a dime from this guy. Thibeault doesn't do anything for nothing. |
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Ellen
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Ellen
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Posted - 08/20/2007 : 10:03:45 AM
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I just read this on The Mirror
They are talking about Thibeault and Wood Waste.
Lack of Public Relations in Newburyport, MA
Wednesday, August 15th, 2007
The gentleman who owns the Newburyport Crow Lane Landfill could use a PR lessen from Mr. Tolan.
I am on the Crow Lane Landfill email list. And let me tell you the emails that come across are heart breaking. This is the 5th year that some of the residence of Newburyport, MA have had to put up with unbelievable odors from the Newburyport Landfill.
Anyone who has had the “pleasure” of the experiencing the “stench,” would have the most heartfelt heartbreak for these folks.
One very enterprising member of the list (many of the folks on that list are unbelievably enterprising) actually had a telephone conversation with the owner himself. Wow. The owner, up close or even not up close has been very hard to get a hold of (vast understatement).
Apparently the conversation did not go well. (I bet the owner’s lawyers did not like that one.) It ended, predictably, with the owner of the landfill, as I understand it from the email list, having some not so nice words with our enterprising resident, and the owner blaming everyone but himself.
This apparently has been done in documents, so it doesn’t exactly come as a big surprise. Maybe the not so nice language part, but the “it’s not my fault” part- no surprise at all. And now I want $7.1 Million from the city of Newburyport, MA (Newburyport Daily News, August 11, 2007), because I am a victim, I suppose, sadly, was almost predicable.
Really lousy PR.
Now, the owner, could have handled things much differently, we all know that. Otherwise the Department of Environmental Protection (DEP) and the Commonwealth of Massachusetts would not now (finally) be taking legal action to take over the “stench-plagued Crow Lane landfill,” (Newburyport Daily News, August 3, 2007).
What if all along, the actual owner, had done right by us in Newburyport, MA, which the State, the DEP and the City of Newburyport, MA, do not think he did.
Wow, we are talking way beyond hypothetical here. But, what if the owner himself had met with the residence in question, right from the get-go, had a personal relationship with them, walked the landfill and experienced what they experienced, and actually worked with them to solve the issue? Whole different ball game.
Great PR (especially if the issue had been taken care of).
And Mr. Karp is having a similar PR problem in Newburyport, MA. Mr. Tolan is again—good role model here on the PR stuff.
What if Mr. Karp made himself available, one on one, more than just once to the tenants (good start, but a little more needed), gave folks an idea of who he is and what, at the very least, the vaguest direction he could be contemplating. If there is nothing to hide, why not??
By showing 87 High Street, Leslie and Peter Tolan basically said we have nothing to hide, come take a look and see for yourself. And come meet us one on one. Great PR. A good example of the beginning to build the “trust thing” in a community.
By not making himself available, Mr. Karp is doing exactly the opposite. The “trust level” in Newburyport, MA, Mr. Karp wise, on a scale of 1-10, is way, way, way low.
And as for the owner of the Newburyport Crow Lane Landfill, there is no “trust level” at all. Apparently the residence of Newburyport, the City of Newburyport, MA, the Commonwealth of Massachusetts and the DEP feel the trust level has long, long, long ago has been beyond completely decimated. And now he wants $7.1 Million from us??
Lousy PR.
Mary Eaton
Newburyport
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Head
Senior Member
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Posted - 08/20/2007 : 2:03:41 PM
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| And we are sure that Mr Dimaria is excepting monies or is this all still innuendos? |
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Ellen
Senior Member
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Posted - 08/20/2007 : 2:26:01 PM
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After Listening to Mr DeMaria's video, I am sure Mr Thibeault is connected to Mr DeMaria's campaign in some shape or form.
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Lynda
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Posted - 08/20/2007 : 2:53:13 PM
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| I am not going to say one way or the other because I simply don't know but what I will say is if this man is connected somehow doesn't anything that Mr DiMaria may have "promised him" as some say, wouldn't it have to still be voted on through our City Common Council and Aldermen? If so than in my eyes it would be a empty promise if promised at all. |
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massdee
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Posted - 08/20/2007 : 3:05:26 PM
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| Lynda, do you really want to leave it up to the CC and BOA to try to keep Mr Thibeault in check. If state and federal agencies can't make him follow regulations, what makes you think our wonderful city government will do any better? |
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Citizen Kane
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Posted - 08/20/2007 : 3:07:14 PM
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| I think the idea that he would be connected to this man at all is what is troubling for some people. I know it is for me. It becomes a question of character. Whether or not you could deliver on the promises, why would you be willing to make promises to someone like Mr. Thibeault in the first place? |
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whatsup
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Posted - 08/20/2007 : 8:50:42 PM
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| Carlo is a great guy and knows his stuff. I don't know this Thibeault guy but he doesn't sound very honest by what people are writing. I'm sure Carlo will keep his campaign on the straight and narrow. My vote is with Carlo. |
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massdee
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Posted - 08/20/2007 : 9:50:36 PM
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| Thibeault is not an honest man. I personally think Carlo is crazy to have him anywhere near him. It will will hurt him in the long run. |
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JoeSister
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Posted - 08/20/2007 : 11:04:11 PM
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| Unless you have some 8 x 10 color glossies and some video of these guys doing business, you need to change the subject. |
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Court4Fred
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Posted - 08/21/2007 : 08:32:25 AM
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| Actually - the invitations to the fundraiser and the press releases about Thibeault's firm are more than enough to avoid a claim of malice by libel. These are, after all, public figures. Please JoeSister, threats like that are just so old school. |
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Head
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Posted - 08/21/2007 : 09:00:47 AM
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| What invitation? is there one posted that I didn't see. |
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Ellen
Senior Member
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Posted - 08/21/2007 : 10:14:16 AM
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| I do not think the invitation was posted but the fund raiser was verified by a DeMaria supporter, and if you watch DeMaria's video you will clearly know he is speaking about Wood Waste and Thibeault. |
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 Posted - 08/21/2007 : 12:16:22 PM
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I am disappointed with Carlo over this Thebault issue and will probably not vote for him over this but I was proud of him for standing up and admitting the BOA’s mistakes.
Joe McGonagle needs to stop. I am sure it’s all with good intention but he is causing trouble and keeping the havoc going on and on. On goes the never ending battle. He can not change the budget and I think he’s only hurting himself by going on and on. He needs to let it go and concede (the budget issue with the IG) the way Al Gore did (unfortunately). Word around is he is loosing respect.
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Carlo DiMaria for Mayor
