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arthur
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Posted - 10/17/2007 : 04:28:21 AM
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I normally don't put my two cent in I only post today's globe out here. I was reading the discussion although not all of it so don't bite the hand that feeds my family lol.. Here is my thought on Joe and Carlo, Joe will hire back all the ragucci people now before you jump down my throat lets use our brain the ragucci people need two more years they were there for 8 years and you need 10 to retire from the city or any city so joe gets in the people come back cause we know that is happening they do their 2 more years get free health insurance for the rest of their lives and a pension that already is in trouble until funding can be reach. Here is the million dollar question guess who pays for all those people who need two more years? YES WE DO THE TAX PAYERS so our tax rate went up by 2 or 3 dollars but you have to remember we have a state of the art high school and all day school for the little ones they say kids are our future. Will you be around to see the little ones grow up and see how they operate the city? Now on to Carlo, lets all face it Carlo try's his best his speaking needs to imporove he gets nervous when in front of people and that is a crime, I think not Carlo has some great ideas for this city although he can't articulate them you can kind of see what he means when he talks. Speaking lessons would be nice. We all thought Hanlon was the one but he chose not to be whether it be ill advisors, or other reasons so here is my thought.
Vote for Joe the Ragucci people need two more years to collect free health insurance and retirement
Vote for Carlo and give him a chance to try and do the right thing and let's face people the tax rate "IT IS WHAT IT IS" you can only hope that in two years it will stabilize. |
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Court4Fred
Advanced Member
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Posted - 10/17/2007 : 06:29:56 AM
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Arthur - do you really believe that there is nothing in it for the Hanlon administration staff for their support of Carlo? I do see a real bias in your nutshell of the McGonagle motivations vs. Carlo. You're also forgetting that Joe also has two young daughters; his ambitions for the schools are going to be exactly the same as Carlo's. I might also add that you're very cavalier about a 2-3 dollar increase on the tax rate...which on a $350K house translates to $700 bucks or more. That's a lot of money on top of the recent increases....not to mention the fact that with an $11 million dollar free cash pool, the taxpayers were already over taxed.
And to answer the rhetorical question- who pays for the pensions and health insurance? That would be the taxpayer, who will be paying the same benefits for the old McCarthy hanger-ons that populated the Hanlon administration - you know, those people who are now supporting Carlo? How do you feel about the Hanlon appointees that were double dipping - taking their pension and getting a fat paycheck to boot? Nice country, isn't it?
Personally, I don't see either candidate as truly a fresh start; it would be naive to do so. If it is as you say, that this administration is already "feeding" you - then it's clear that you will stand to benefit by maintaining the status quo. |
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justme
Advanced Member
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 Posted - 10/17/2007 : 08:07:51 AM
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Would someone please explain to me what's so bad about wanting a pension? Shouldn't we be more concerned with the qualifications of city employees (in any capacity) than how many years they’ve been on the city payroll?
Personally, I want to see our next mayor bring in qualified people at reasonable salaries. I don’t care where they came from. I don’t care what administration they used to work for. I want them to be able to do the job they’re being paid for and to do it well. If they meet that criterion, then they deserve the damn pension if they qualify for it.
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Tails
Administrator
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Posted - 10/17/2007 : 08:37:00 AM
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| Didn’t the current city employees that were from the McCarthy years already finish their ten years? Is that true they collect a pension and received a paycheck? If so, where they part time? I don’t understand that. If they collected a pension and worked full time, that is wrong and that needs looking into for change. |
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Lynda
Advanced Member
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Posted - 10/17/2007 : 08:55:25 AM
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Originally posted by justme
Would someone please explain to me what's so bad about wanting a pension? Shouldn't we be more concerned with the qualifications of city employees (in any capacity) than how many years they’ve been on the city payroll?
Personally, I want to see our next mayor bring in qualified people at reasonable salaries. I don’t care where they came from. I don’t care what administration they used to work for. I want them to be able to do the job they’re being paid for and to do it well. If they meet that criterion, then they deserve the damn pension if they qualify for it.
WELL PUT!!!!!!! COULDN'T HAVE SAID IT BETTER MYSELF!
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justme
Advanced Member
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Posted - 10/17/2007 : 08:59:46 AM
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| Yes Tails, many of the McCarthy crew that hanlon brought back are receiving pension checks along with a paycheck while others are adding time and money for a later time. Those already receiving their pension are all [technically] part-time employees and, based on their retirement status, limited in how much they can earn. That’s the double dipping Court was referring to in his recent post. |
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Lynda
Advanced Member
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Posted - 10/17/2007 : 09:23:14 AM
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| I am not doubting that what you (justme) and Court are saying but, is this legal? It just doesn't seem right. If someone is retired from a city job, any job at that, they shouldn't be allowed to work it at all. If they want to subsidize their income shouldn't it be outside of the job they retired from and if not why wouldn't they have just stayed at the job to begin with? |
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Court4Fred
Advanced Member
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Posted - 10/17/2007 : 09:54:39 AM
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| Lynda - Don Andrew has done very well for himself under the current syste. He was the city auditor under McCarthy, who retired in 2003, and then went to work for the superintendent. He was then brought back in with Mayor Hanlon - and if Fedup is right, he's raking in the dough right now. |
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massdee
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Posted - 10/17/2007 : 09:56:01 AM
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| Lynda, I am pretty sure they can legally work and make up to a certain amount of money. One example of this blatant misuse would be Ravenesi, he collects a pension from the Telephone Company, a pension from the City and collects a pay check for being the Mayor's part time assistant. |
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arthur
Senior Member
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Posted - 10/17/2007 : 10:11:54 AM
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| I can see where my post are going I am not for Joe or carlo I don't even live in Everett I was using logic and if I am not mistaken the McCarthy people don't have free health I believe the rules change after that administration, you can do what you want I was just using logic and I understand about the 700.00 increase but is that a one family or two the taxes are what they are there is nothing no one can do about it until someone gets in the city and figures it out you have police who won't tag corners and hydrants do you realize how much money the city of everett is losing to help keep the taxes down come to peabody they tagged 7 days a week 24 hrs we don't have the problems everett and surronding cities are having check out danvers they raised there parking ticket fees hoping all the cities and town will follow suit, lets face everett wants to do what everett wants to do.. I understand Joe has children don't u think it will be mcgongals vs forestier all over again |
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massdee
Moderator
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Posted - 10/17/2007 : 10:31:55 AM
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| Why do you think it will be McGonagle vs Foresteire? I don't remember these two butting heads in the past, not to say it won't happen, if Joe tries to rein in some of the School Department spending. I do remember Carlo and Foresteire not getting along, and in my opinion, it was not Carlo's fault. FFF was being his usual crass self. |
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Citizen Kane
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Posted - 10/17/2007 : 4:23:41 PM
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| Arthur, to my knowledge, no one gets free health. Every city employees has to pay a portion of their premium for health insurance; it's a small portion, but it's not free. |
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Court4Fred
Advanced Member
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Posted - 10/17/2007 : 8:13:46 PM
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| And Arthur? The retirees under any administration - from G. McCarthy to Hanlon area entitled to health benefits. |
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bbpolitical
Forum Admin
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Posted - 10/21/2007 : 3:16:52 PM
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Originally posted by Court4Fred
You raise a very valid point, justme. This is getting infantile, isn't it? I wish the forum creator would install an "ignore" button for chronic offenders of decency.
If I ever find an ignore button, I will install it.
I am an average resident of Everett who would like to see more communication about anything and everything to do with Everett |
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McGonagle for Mayor
