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justthfcts
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 Posted - 03/04/2006 : 02:18:24 AM
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I am guessing i am not the only one out here who has had just about enough of Jarret Barrios. This race for Middlesex County D.A. should come down to experience, and the Senator has none. Let us take a look at the facts. 1.) I am aware that the Senator is a lawyer but he has been in the Senate for almost five years and was a rep before that, so it begs the question What, if any in the trenches courtroom experience does he have. 2.)Let us not forget that Senator Barrios was the original sponsor of the bill to give in-state tuition to illegal aliens that was defeated rather soundly a few weeks back, he wants to become the top law enforcement official of the largest county in the state and he was the author of a bill to give handouts to CRIMINALS at the expense of hard-working taxpaying American citizens. Gerry Leone was a former ADA for Martha Coakley and most recently was a federal prosecutor in the US Attorney's office under Michael Sullivan. So my advice to Jarret is to just stay where you are and continue to be a lackey and a rubber stamp for Bobby Trav, because the Middlesex D.A.'s race is way out of your league. PAUL D. DOBBINS
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H1ghCh4r1ty
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Posted - 03/04/2006 : 07:54:54 AM
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The Pup and I were not aware of those bills. I never thought he was the right pick for the DA position.
I know about the tuition bill, but what is the other bill that you refer to?
We were surprised at his decision to abandon his senate position after winning a very difficult campaign. He is obviously not as qualified as others running for the same position.
Right now Galluccio is running unopposed for the senate position. Barrios is giving the senate seat away.
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Court4Fred
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Posted - 03/04/2006 : 4:59:24 PM
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Emile, I think the reference to the bill only expands on the fact that giving in-state tuition to illegal aliens is tantamount to giving handouts to criminals. I happen to agree with you, Paul. Why would we want to reward anyone for violating our laws?
I haven't met Gerry Leone yet. I did meet Mike Festa, who dropped out of the race. I do know the Senator, and was surprised by his decision to run for DA, after such a short time in the Senate.
Perhaps it's the "hunt" for the job, instead of the job, that Jarrett relishes most. |
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H1ghCh4r1ty
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Posted - 03/04/2006 : 7:17:51 PM
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I know the Senator as well.
I have been dissappointed in some voting decisions the senator has made, and his decision to run for DA.
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justthfcts
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Posted - 03/04/2006 : 10:57:20 PM
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| Court i agree with you that it is in part the "hunt" for the job. I think he is overestimating his popularity. I must say that when i have seen him in public and at events he sure has the shaking hands and kissing babies thing down to a science, but like i stated before i just believe that Middlesex D.A.is way out of league. Because it is pretty obvious that his ultimate goal is the Governor's Office, now i know that may be a bit of a stretch but does anybody remember Patrick Guerrero??? |
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bbpolitical
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Posted - 03/04/2006 : 11:16:33 PM
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Originally posted by justthfcts
Court i agree with you that it is in part the "hunt" for the job. I think he is overestimating his popularity. I must say that when i have seen him in public and at events he sure has the shaking hands and kissing babies thing down to a science, but like i stated before i just believe that Middlesex D.A.is way out of league. Because it is pretty obvious that his ultimate goal is the Governor's Office, now i know that may be a bit of a stretch but does anybody remember Patrick Guerrero???
We must keep in mind that illegal immigrants who are applying for in state tuition did not in fact come here illegally. This is because minors are not held liable for immigration violations. They may have been brought illegally, however. By providing them with in state tuition, only if they have been good citizens and in high school for at least three years, would they be allowed to gain the state benefit. It is a way of putting them in the system and working towards including them in the tax paying community. As it is, by not educating them, they simply end up trapped in illegal labor. Many of them have not been to their home country since infancy and don't know any other country. I think it is an unfair assertion to claim all of them as being criminals. Out immigration system is broken and something is going to have to give. They aren't going anywhere.
Speaking of taxpayers footing the bill, it is amazing how much money has sunk into that School 49 litigation fund. My goodness, $400,000 in one meeting? No doubt community programs are paying for it now or down the road.
Michael
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katmac
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Posted - 03/05/2006 : 2:11:45 PM
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| I am and always have been a single mom, who worked her A** off, bought a home, and pays taxes. NEVER had a hand out (welfare, wic, etc.) And my son may not qualify for tuition assistance. When those cracks are filled, maybe we can take care of the kids of the parents who failed to respect the country they live in enough to get here legally. After all, why do you think these people came here? To get a better life for their kids. If breaking the law gets it for their kids, why would they stop? |
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H1ghCh4r1ty
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Posted - 03/05/2006 : 10:08:24 PM
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Sorry michael.....
katmac has made some very good points...
I will have more to add later on this topic....
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bbpolitical
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Posted - 03/06/2006 : 3:55:17 PM
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Originally posted by H1ghCh4r1ty
Sorry michael.....
katmac has made some very good points...
I will have more to add later on this topic....
Emile Schoeffhausen
I may have a unique perspective on this because I attended a four year university with 85% international students and then Boston University for grad school where less than half of the students in the Biochemistry were Americans. Keep in mind that all of these students were on legal visas.
The tuition question is whether the children should be punished for the crimes of their parents. (Even if the fact that it is a crime in inconsistent with American values) In my opinion, society is better off when its members can become lawfully included in the system. I also beleive that immigrants who live here legal or otherwise are part of our society. When a child becomes a legal student, he or she will have to pay taxes as he or she gets included into the system. The in-state tution program is for students, not for parents. It's to try to keep Massachusetts children in Massachusetts as they become working professionals. Many children of immigrants, if educated, will become productive taxpayers. The ones with college educations won't work washing dishes in a restaurant or cleaning houses for illegal, untaxed income. If you have a problem with taxation of these children's income, then we should find ways to include immigrants into the tax code. (What else would you have us do, line them up and shoot all of them?)
They broke the law to find a better life, the same thing all of our parents did when they came here before it became illegal for most people to enter the country. They have no options in their country to come here legally because of rampant discrimination and corruption in the foreign soil arm of our diplomatic agencies.
As an American citizen myself, I am one of the few luckiest people on the planet. I can sit around all day and take handouts from the government or I can work hard and make something of myself. It is my choice. Illegal immigrants come from countries with no social programs. They work hard to survive or die. The only know hard work and value work ethic. These are the attributes that should be at the heart of the working class in today's America. These are the attributes that made America so great. Immigrants certainly don't want what doesn't belong to them. They want to earn it. If you think that once you buy your house and get your kid into college, you are all set, you aren't thinking globally or showing a strong example to your children. For people in this country to stay afloat we are going to have to accept that nothing in the world can be taken for granted. The Global economy is going to drive passive American citizens into the ground unless we cheat, steal, and milk the hard work of other countries or else fundamentally change the way we interact with the world. From my point of view, cheating everyone else isn't fair. That isn't democratic. We as American citizens are global citizens too and we as a society have frankly forgotten how temporary financial stability can be. We have forgotten what not having food for a week is like. I don't think many Americans have the guts to stand up to one week as a impoverished citizen of an African, South American, Caribbean, Asian, or European nation. Living in this country for them isn't about living a dream, its about living, period. Lets face it, for all of the finicial strains we experience here in Everett, we have far more than our global share simply for the luck of being born American. I say bring it on. Let the immigrants compete with me and my children for employment, housing, and education. It will make us all stronger.
Otherwise make a legitimate effort at closing the borders and prepare to slowly atrophy away as the rest of the world moves on without us.
As a result, I don't think we have choice to exclude illegal immigrants. We have to find a way to include them. It is embarrasing that the neo-conservative republican White House managed to come up with this conclusion before the liberal democrats of Massachusetts could do it.
Anyway, feel free to debate me point by point. I wonder what Mr. Barros's position would be. I think putting together some pointed challenges to his platform on this website would be a good idea. A good debate here could pave the way for forcing Mr. Barros into taking a stand on this issue if we confront him.
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bbpolitical
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Posted - 03/06/2006 : 4:02:16 PM
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Originally posted by katmac
I am and always have been a single mom, who worked her A** off, bought a home, and pays taxes. NEVER had a hand out (welfare, wic, etc.) And my son may not qualify for tuition assistance. When those cracks are filled, maybe we can take care of the kids of the parents who failed to respect the country they live in enough to get here legally. After all, why do you think these people came here? To get a better life for their kids. If breaking the law gets it for their kids, why would they stop?
Guess what? I never recieved a dime of federal or state tuition assistance either. My parents were able to contribute exactly 0 because I too was a crack-dweller. I had to work my butt off in school to EARN every year of college I received. What's wrong with going to community college and working hard to achieve your college goals with a broader vision in mind?
On the other hand, I do recognize there is a lack of affordable education for your son. BUT it is not because of immigrants it's because the cost of education is unreasonable and not sustainable. Immigrants are the wrong target to lay blame on here. Why make it us against them anyway?
I can't see any other way around it. Tuition has to come down by at least 50% across the board. It has risen WAY over the rate of inflation. Average tuition in many places has doubled in the past 10 years. It is ridiculous.
Michael
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lizbeth
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Posted - 03/06/2006 : 5:20:46 PM
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Michael, you've clearly given this subject a lot of thought, and while there should be some compassion for the kids who are here illegally because their parents are here illegally, the fact of the matter remains that they do not have legal status. It doesn't set well with people that those who are here illegally are receiving "assistance" when the average American citizen has to jump through hoops to get any tuition assitance for their kids. Single parents who have to work two or three jobs to get their kids through college are naturally going to be upset that special consideration is being given to those who are not following our laws.
My grandparents came here legally and worked their butts off once they got here in low level jobs to provide for very large families. No one handed them anything; they couldn't afford to send their kids to college, either -- their kids (my parents and aunts and uncles) paid for their college educations themselves by working or by serving in the military.
If I recall correctly, when the bill for in state tuition was defeated, so was another bill that would help these students in achieving a legal status and citizenship. Maybe someone out there has other information about this? My question would be -- why was that particular bill defeated? Why not aid these kids in becoming of legal status and becoming citizens so that they're entitled to whatever rights and benefits are available to any citizen.
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katmac
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Posted - 03/06/2006 : 6:38:33 PM
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Court4Fred
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Posted - 03/06/2006 : 8:03:44 PM
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| Michael...you are aware that the states that give in-state tuition benefits to non-citizens are now being sued on the ground that they are discriminating against US citizens by virtue of their address. Clearly, the thinking is that if we don't want to hold the "legal" addresses of illegal citizens against them...why hold it against our own citizens? It makes sense. |
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Court4Fred
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Posted - 03/07/2006 : 4:38:32 PM
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I don't think this is sustainable....
Illegal immigration in US ‘grows by 500,000 annually’
By Edward Alden in Washington
Published: March 7 2006 20:27 | Last updated: March 7 2006 20:27
The number of illegal immigrants in the US has continued to grow by nearly half a million each year in spite of US efforts to increase security at the country’s borders, according to a survey released on Tuesday.
The study, by the Pew Hispanic Center, said that the population of unauthorised migrants reached between 11.5m and 12m last year, accounting for nearly a third of the foreign-born population in the US. That number is up from roughly 8.4m in 2000.
The continued rise was driven primarily by the strong demand for low-skilled work in the US. “What we’re seeing is a labour migration that is tied to employment opportunities,” said Jeffrey Passel, the study’s author.
The findings come as the Senate is set to take up on Wednesday legislation aimed at stemming the flow of illegal immigrants coming to the US. The Senate judiciary committee is launching a three-week effort to produce a bill that the committee’s chairman, Republican Arlen Specter, hopes will create new legal channels for foreign workers in the US.
The proposal, outlined by committee staff on Monday, would allow those illegally in the US to apply for renewable two-year work visas, and would create a new guest worker programme to allow new workers to come to the US legally.
That contrasts with legislation that passed the House of Representatives late last year and would toughen enforcement against illegal aliens but would not allow for new guest workers. Differences between the House bill and the Senate version would have to be resolved later this year.
The Pew survey underscored the substantial presence of illegal workers in the US labour market. It estimated about 4.9 per cent of the US labour force, or 7.2m workers, was composed of unauthorised migrants.
Nearly a third of those work in service occupations, 19 per cent in construction and 15 per cent in production, installation and repair jobs. Illegal workers are especially prevalent in farming, where they make up nearly a quarter of all workers, as well as cleaning, residential home construction and food processing.
Despite beefing up border patrols and constructing fences along the southern US border with Mexico, the US has so far been unable to reverse the flow of illegal migrants there. The study found that the southern border remains the gateway to the US, with Mexican migrants making up 56 per cent of the unauthorised population, and another 22 per cent coming from the rest of Latin America, particularly Central American countries such as Guatemala and El Salvador.
The vast majority of those end up finding work in the US. Among adult males, 94 per cent of illegal immigrants participated in the US labour force, compared with an 83 per cent participation rate for native-born men.
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bbpolitical
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Posted - 03/07/2006 : 5:04:50 PM
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Originally posted by Court4Fred
Michael...you are aware that the states that give in-state tuition benefits to non-citizens are now being sued on the ground that they are discriminating against US citizens by virtue of their address. Clearly, the thinking is that if we don't want to hold the "legal" addresses of illegal citizens against them...why hold it against our own citizens? It makes sense.
I wasn't aware of the lawsuit, no... I have read and reread your post of couple of times, but I must admit I am missing something. Are you saying that the argument is illegal immigrants don't actually have a right to declare their mailing address as the address they use for residency?
If so, I think that is an entirely sound legal argument. I don't think illegal immigrants do have a legal stance to claim residence in any state or locality. However, in Boston and perhaps here in Everett too, public schools look the other way and enroll kids of illegal immigrants. Technically, according to the Boston School Department, all internationals, illegal or legal, must pay full tutition to attend public school since their taxes don't support the department of education (This is State or Federal Law, I didn't find out which). I discovered that students on student visas (legal students) in the Boston Public Schools, for example, should pay roughly $17,000 a year for their education if they are international students. Only legislation can overturn this, so as it stands, immigrants have no right to public education at ANY level. However, realistically, Boston Public Schools educate hundreds if not thousands of children of illegal immigrants everyday. Many administrators in the BPS aren't even aware of the rules, they just look for phone bills to determine residence. Many parents obtain fraudulant social security numbers as well. But technically, its illegal not to pay full price for public education. I don't doubt it.
My objection is to people who think it SHOULD be that way forever. The attitude that my grandfather, who worked in coal mines to help my dad go to college, has earned generations of dominance over future immigrants doesn't make economic sense. My other grandfather worked simultaneously as a taxi driver and a bakery truck driver for 70+ hours per week for 35 years. The reason we are all here is because our grandparents worked so hard. True global economics is King of the Hill. The strongest survive on top, however, only if they are continually challenged. This is why I think its dangerous to sit on our heels and think we are all set just because our grandparents did what they had to do. Eventually a whole country is going to challenge us and all our jobs will go away if we can't stand up to it.
Michael
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bbpolitical
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Posted - 03/07/2006 : 5:20:28 PM
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If there's money for tuition, it should go to the families that have helped build this country before anyone else. period.
Oh, so that means the Native Americans should get benefits over us, since they were here first. Oh... that's right, we stole it from them.
So, I guess we earned it for eternity now....
Michael
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