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justme
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 Posted - 03/09/2008 : 5:12:44 PM
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| I didn't think I was alone on this one massdee, but it sure is nice to know you feel the same way! |
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just wondering
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Posted - 03/09/2008 : 5:22:09 PM
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| I really want to try and understand what the other options are other than what the current admistration is trying to do, which is work with the guy to get the court issue resolved, get his business indoors and get vacant land developed. Massdee or Justme.....you are both very good at shooting down my scenario, can either of you take a moment to explain what scenario you support? |
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Tails
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Posted - 03/09/2008 : 5:40:38 PM
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I really want to try and understand what the other options are other than what the current admistration is try to do, which is work with the guy to get the court issue resolved, get his business indoors and get vacant land developed. Massdee or Justme.....you are both very good at shooting down my scenario, can either of you take a moment to explain what scenario you support?
Well by hiring one of Thiebault attorneys and now doing a favor by hiring Jeff Mejer as director of the Rec Center seems to me the Mayor is working the Solicitor's Office in FAVOR of Thiebault. A man that is in litigation with the city. Make's NO sense to me. This is certainly not in favor to the residents/businesses near Stop & Shop or the taxpayers who are the ones that have to keep paying for this man to repeatedly refuse to do what he’s suppose to.
So now the residents and businesses on lower Broadway have to suffer too. They are suffering enough with the overloaded trucks, Alford Bridge, and the disgusting sludge plant that is backing up traffic.
Just because I don’t live in the area doesn’t mean it’s not everyone’s problem. Who is this guy Thiebault to bring a dump to a city that he does not live in, not abide by the rules and everyone else in the city has to suffer but we all have to sit back and say “its okay” because he is friends with the Mayor. I would tell Thiebault to take it to his back yard.
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massdee
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Posted - 03/09/2008 : 5:49:37 PM
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justme,
I believe if the mayor goes forward with this issue, his 313 vote mandate will go out the window. He promised many of his supporters this would never happen. If you talk to people around the city, they will tell you they are not in favor of Wood Waste or William Thibeault. We have all had to endure his mess for far too many years. |
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just wondering
Senior Member
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Posted - 03/09/2008 : 6:00:57 PM
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exactly the response I was expecting from massdee....you do not have an alternative scenario.
Massdee is trying very hard not to commit himself/herself to a another scenario, because the one I have propsed makes the most sense. He knows that the candidate he/she backed had the option to accept donations from Thiebault. Massdee wants you to believe that his candidate thought dealing with the Thiebult was wrong for the city. The reality of it is that Massdee's candidate knew that whoever became mayor would have to find a way to work with Thiebault. Massdee's candidate made a calculated decision not to accept donations because he felt he could get more votes tearing the man down than he could by taking out newspaper ads with the money he donated. That decision proved wrong....he wasnt able to scare as many people as he had hoped.
Anybody want to offer up an alternate solution or are you all comfortable sitting around poking holes in other peoples plans? |
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Citizen Kane
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Posted - 03/09/2008 : 6:12:00 PM
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Just Wondering -- attacking long term members of this board is not going to bring people to your cause.
The issue for people is not whether there is an alternative. The issue is that Carlo, in order to get elected, bobbed, weaved, and lied to people about how he was going to "deal" with Thibeault once elected. But people fell for it, and now there's a price to be paid.
The point is . . . Thibeault was ordered long before Carlo became mayor to enclose his facility, and he's not done it; the concern is now, and was during the campaign, that we're in for more of the same from him. Thibeault has done nothing to indicate that he is willing to do even what's he's been ordered to do by a state agency. How about this for an alternate solution -- Thibeault does what he's been ordered to do and what any good corporate neighbor would be willing to do if he wants to keep operating in a community that he has literally and figuratively dumped on for years. That would be a good first step. |
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just wondering
Senior Member
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Posted - 03/09/2008 : 6:25:26 PM
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Sorry Citizen....but I'm not following you here. I asked a valid question that your long term members are refusing to answer. Isn't one of the purposes of this board to ask questions and discuss options that might be best for the city. I asked a question and your long term members don't want to answer. I'm sorry, but unless you are offering alternatives for discussion, your board is about as valid a place for discussion as the Mirror. It's not a forum or a blog, it's an electronic newspaper.
By the way, the alternate solution you proposed is part of what I proposed...I appreciate you being in agreement with me. |
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Citizen Kane
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Posted - 03/09/2008 : 7:20:49 PM
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It's hard to compel people to take your question as "valid", just wondering, when you cloak it with insults.
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justme
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Posted - 03/09/2008 : 7:39:29 PM
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just wondering: For many of us, there is no other scenario. Allowing Thibeault the opportunity to crap all over this city again, based on promises, is just not something that most of us will sit back quietly and watch happen. He has already proven he can't be trusted to do what he says he will, or what he's legally required to do. Why you, Carlo, or anyone else thinks we should believe him now is completely beyond comprehension. He's had many chances to do the right thing yet he continues to thumb his nose at all of us and do what works for him.
There are many times that members of this board agree to disagree and for me, this is one of them. There's nothing you can say to change my opinion of the man, or his business practices and obviously, you have your own agenda. Out of curiosity........... where do you live? |
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Tails
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Posted - 03/09/2008 : 8:12:14 PM
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just wondering Posted - 03/09/2008 : 6:00:57 PM
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Massdee is trying very hard not to commit himself/herself to a another scenario, because the one I have propsed makes the most sense. He knows that the candidate he/she backed had the option to accept donations from Thiebault. quote:
I did not vote for Joe McGonagle but I have more respect for that man today than I ever had in ANY candidate EVER for having the courage to say no to a materialistic person like Thiebault who was only out for himself. At least Joe said no for the PEOPLE not yes...for the MONEY. I wish I knew back then what I know today. Getting money from Thiebault is not what got Carlo elected. He was elected because he lied to all the Hanlon supporters and used them including former Mayor Hanlon. Those 313 votes were all Hanlon votes and I'll tell ya, he already lost those and then some. |
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just wondering
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Posted - 03/09/2008 : 8:56:10 PM
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what insult? where is it? I didn't intend one and certainly didn't type one.
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massdee
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Posted - 03/10/2008 : 12:44:54 AM
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My alternate scenario is to have Thibeault comply with state and local law and enclose the Boston Street site. Then have city government put up every roadblock humanly possible to prevent Thibeault from building anywhere else in Everett. As far as lower Broadway goes, if he bought that site, he can pay the property taxes on it or he can sell it. You may not like my scenario but that is how I feel. If your scenario moves forward, I hope every resident of this city shows up at city hall to protest it. We don't need a waste transfer station down there.
just wondering, you can use my candidates name, it's Joe McGonagle. Since you know about the money Thibeault offered Joe, then you know exactly what was going on behind the scenes. The fact of the matter is, Joe would NOT accept Thibeault's money due to the strings that were attached to it. He would not sell out the city to Thibeault. Thibeault approached Joe towards the end of 2006, long before Carlo entered the race. FYI, the monetary offer was made before Joe had made up his mind to run for mayor, he was thinking about it, but had not made his final decision. The campaign and Carlo had nothing to do with Joe not accepting the money, Joe could not be bought.
I have no idea why Carlo accepted the money from Thibeault. Maybe you can explain that? Or could you tell us why Carlo told his supporters, he would not deal with Thibeault and there would be NO waste transfer station built down on lower Broadway? Could you please explain why it appears he lied to his supporters?
We all have a right to our opinions. Please, at least try to be civil.
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justme
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Posted - 03/10/2008 : 05:04:46 AM
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just wondering........... You haven't answered my question.
Are you an Everett resident? |
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massdee
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Posted - 03/10/2008 : 8:33:20 PM
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I would just like to clarify something, my objection to Thibeault has nothing to do with politics. This man has been a blight on this city as far back as the John McCarthy administration. I personally would rather put the health of Everett residents above the potential revenue from his ventures.
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Tails
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