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just wondering
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Posted - 04/01/2008 : 2:22:25 PM
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Do you not see the value in keeping heavy industry in the same spot and creating a retail/commercial oriented zone down on the parkway?
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massdee
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just wondering
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Posted - 04/01/2008 : 2:47:37 PM
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very scary Massdee....
question for you....are you willing to overlook any tax increases for the next five years as a result of not being able to fund the tax base through new development? The options are fairly simple:
Option A: Force him to enclose his current yard (which as you stated yesterday is your goal). While this may satisfy you, it harms any plan to use development at the city yards as a catalyst for revitalizing the commercial and retail growth down the parkway.
Option B: Force him to move his facility to a covered building, behind a sludge processing facility...closer to the highway...freeing up development on the parkway in many ways.....commercial condo's, big box stores....restaurants...
Option C: Don't play ball at all with the man. Keep him tied up in courts.....which is doubly painful for the city....not only do we lose money on court costs, we also dont get land developed to increase taxes...we don't get new businesses to provide lower level jobs for teens and young adults...we don't get the inevitable financial bump that these businesses provide through donations to youth organizations, beautification programs and fire relief funds.
Setting aside all the character assasinations.......option B is the way to go
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massdee
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Posted - 04/01/2008 : 3:13:39 PM
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When did the mayor and Mr Thibeault change their minds on what type of development would take place on lower Broadway? Mayor DeMaria plainly states in his campaign video that he has a developer who is willing to develop lower Broadway with a marina, condos, and shopping malls. This video was made long after Boston received their OK to build the sludge plant.
My opinion is Option A is the way to go. If Mayor DeMaria wants to keep taxes in check he could get rid of some of his very high priced hires. |
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just wondering
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Posted - 04/01/2008 : 3:30:46 PM
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I have no idea when anyones mind was changed. If you asked me back then what I would like to see there, I would say marina and condo's.
You may not have noticed, by the market is in a bit of a slump. No way in hell condo's will sell down there. No way in hell a developer can risk the money required to build residences in this market.
Take a few deep breaths and look at the big picture. You have no idea what salary people are being paid....and if you do have that kind of inside knowledge, you would also be able to explain why someone might be paid a larger salary than a predecessor. A couple of reasons off the top of my head...maybe they are being given more responsibilty as a result of consolidation??? maybe they are themselve more qualified than the people they are replacing??
Your choice of option A is exactly what I expected.....solve todays problems, don't worry about planning for 5 or 10 years from now. Smart choice, you must have been part of a previous administration. God forbid we think a couple of years down the line! Option A keeps land vacant and undeveloped. While you may think that's ok, Johnny Taxpayer might have an issue with it. Your "I hate thiebault" alliance falls apart once you start taking money out of peoples pockets.
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Tails
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 Posted - 04/01/2008 : 4:26:09 PM
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| I already heard from Congressman Markey's office. The more people that write the better. If he gets enough complaints he will have to investigate the claim. |
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just wondering
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Posted - 04/01/2008 : 4:52:39 PM
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what exactly is the claim that you placed? That he hasnt cleaned up his act on Boston Ave?
My guess is the state and EPA would be happy to see him inside, anywhere.
While you are all on the phone with your congressman, ask him if he can get us some more money for road repairs. |
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justme
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Posted - 04/01/2008 : 5:05:48 PM
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If Woodwaste was relocated, what kind of remediation would be needed at their present location? Isn’t the land there now contaminated? If it is, even if they moved to an enclosed location, we still have the problem of cleanup at the old location. Based on past history, we know Mr Thibeault will say whatever we want to hear and then do whatever he wants. (Which is generally nothing)
So tell me just wondering, what exactly do we gain by giving him what he wants?
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massdee
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Posted - 04/01/2008 : 5:15:46 PM
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My guess is the state and EPA would be happy to see him come in compliance at his present site. You do not reward people for bad behavior. What kind of message are you sending to every other business owner in this city, don't follow the rules and the city of Everett will give you what you want.
About the hefty salaries........to quote you "While you may think that's ok, Johnny Taxpayer might have an issue with it." |
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just wondering
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Posted - 04/01/2008 : 6:43:36 PM
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once again massdee....scary words scary words
You left out the part where we are hiring more qualified people now than we have in the past....AND....consolidating positions/departments. The net/net is that we spend less but get more. Imagine that! |
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justme
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Posted - 04/01/2008 : 8:26:41 PM
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Are you sure we're spending less and getting more? what positions / departments have been consolidated? What were the salaries budgeted for the mayor's staff? What's currently being spent? How much was the former budget director earning? What additional responsibilities does Mr Carlisle have? What position was eliminated to accommodate his salary?
I'm also still waiting for an answer to my earlier post..............
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just wondering
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Posted - 04/01/2008 : 8:36:21 PM
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justme
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Posted - 04/01/2008 : 9:27:46 PM
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I didn't think I'd get a straight answer.
Would you give your boss a message please? Tell Carlo I had high hopes for him but I made a mistake............ It won't happen again. |
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just wondering
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Posted - 04/01/2008 : 9:49:18 PM
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I'm still not sure of the question....but I will give it a shot anyway:
If you question is "what do we gain?". My answer is:
a) the possibility of having heavy industry all down in the same area which makes it easier to attract viable commercial, retail and restaurant facilities on the parkway
b) increased tax base sooner rather than later
c) millions of dollars for the old city yard which will allow us to retire debt from the building of the new city yards
d) a developer that may be willing to provide easement across his property as an entrance to the Gateway Mall, eliminating the traffic burden currently experienced at the rotary down the Village
e) drum roll please.......Wood Waste indoors
If your question was "what remediation would be necessary?", My answer is:
I have no idea, but the current Wood Waste site is on the land of a former junk yard....Im confident it would need to be cleaned anyway. And if he stays on Boston Street, the land down lower Broadway needs to be cleaned to make it usable (former chemical plant). Either way, one site needs to be cleaned.....the level of cleaning would probably depend on what is being built there.
As far as your last comment goes....I absolutely do not work for the city. I have commented numerous times that I travel lower Broadway into Boston all the way to metro west via the pike. I work for a software company.
How about you, what's your profession? What administration did you work for? Massdee, how about you? Tetris, you? We are all offering opinions....certainly the people who read our comments deserve to know something about us. Any of you have an background that contains municipal employment in any capacity? |
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Tails
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Posted - 04/01/2008 : 10:20:16 PM
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| How can anyone defend the actions of William Thibeault and Wood Waste, Crow lane landfill, what ever he calls himself today. Per the DEP he deliberately shut off odor control and Newburyport calls this action retribution. He stuck his nose up to those residents and does not give a damn about their children that have to breath those obnoxious odors and that is exactly whats coming here. To defend him, work with him, let him profit and build a dump on lower Broadway, then use barges and it wont take long for that to get in the water, just like it did in Newburyport. Newburyport is shutting this man down and they will spend 3 million dollars doing it but it will be 3 million WELL spent! People that are responsible for allowing this to come to Everett are the lowest of the low. |
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