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massdee
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Posted - 12/06/2009 : 1:13:11 PM
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If he took the incentive and retired, can he still collect unemployment? I thought if you are retired you are not eligible.
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justme
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 Posted - 12/06/2009 : 1:31:05 PM
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The incentive wasn't tied to retirement but either way, I don't get it.
How the hell can someone give notice, receive $25,000.00 for doing so & then qualify for unemployment? So basically, if I want next summer off, I'll just give my notice mid May & collect all summer. Then at the end of August, I'll start looking for new employment because you can bet your a$$ my old employer won't take me back!
And there was a big write up about his trolley business in Newburyport. How can anyone possibly collect & be self employed too?
This is making me crazy!! |
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massdee
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Posted - 12/06/2009 : 3:44:08 PM
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According to this he retired from the Everett Police Department on May 31,2009.
Michael E. Vetrano Sr.’s Experience
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Law Enforcement Executive
Unemployed
(Law Enforcement industry)
May 2009 — Present (8 months)
Retired on May 31st of 2009 from the Everett Police Department
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tetris
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Posted - 12/06/2009 : 5:16:45 PM
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I'd take what I read from that resume with a grain of salt Massdee. It doesn't show his previous gap in service at all. I thought that "retired" might have been a stretch of the truth; but, it does appear that he has the ten years in that would qualify him to collect a retirement at some point. I don't know the in and outs of the state retirement system, but it appears that may have not been the case the first time he left. Another benefit he likely received by getting his job back the first time.
While I still don't understand how he could qualify for unemployment given his circumstances, it is possible for someone to collect unemployment while being involved in another business opportunity. It all depends on whether or not you are collecting a regular salary from that business or the involvement is as an investment. I know someone who was able to collect in the latter situation after being layed-off from their day job. The state did look into before allowing them to collect though. |
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justme
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Posted - 12/06/2009 : 6:02:43 PM
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Okay. What you're saying is the term "retired" is being used because he had the time in to eventually collect a pension but he's not currently doing so. I guess that means I retired from my former employer because when the time comes I'll receive a pension from them? I guess it's semantics...........
Bottom line.............the whole thing stinks and Carlo should be ashamed of himself to even consider taking him back.
And you're 100% correct, tetris. That resume certainly reads a lot better than what the reality actually is. |
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massdee
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Posted - 12/06/2009 : 6:13:57 PM
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It would be great if we could take a look at his papers that he signed when he took the incentive and left the Police Department.
I hope the BOA does their homework on this one. I would suggest to either email or call all the members of the BOA to let them know how you feel about the city bringing Mr Vetrano back to "our" Police Department.
I would love to hear from a police officer and hear their opinion on this.
Also, let's not forget the lovely sign he hung at the Police Station the first time he left. I bet the Officer's haven't forgotten.
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Tails
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Posted - 12/07/2009 : 3:36:48 PM
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Doesn't say anything here about being able to return to your position. I really do not think the state is going to go for that and I certainly hope the Board of Alderman has more brains than that.
Date: March 10, 2009
To: ALL EMPLOYEES
From: Carlo DeMaria, Jr., Mayor
Re: Separation Incentive for all employees
In light of the difficult economic times we are facing here in the City of Everett in this fiscal year and in the next fiscal year, I am pleased to offer a special incentive to all employees (excluding school department and housing authority) who decide to separate themselves from their service in the City of Everett.
If you choose to leave your employment here at the City of Everett you will be entitled to a one-time bonus payment as follows:
Police and Fire will receive $25,000.00 in addition to unused vacation and sick leave buy back (if retiring) you may be entitled to under your collective bargaining agreement or personnel policy.
Department Heads will receive $17,500.00 in addition to unused vacation and sick leave buy back (if retiring) you may be entitled to under the personnel policy.
Other Full Time Union and Non-Union Non-department Heads will receive $12,500.00 in addition to unused vacation and sick leave buy back (if retiring) you may be entitled to under your collective bargaining agreement or personnel policy.
Part time employees (non-elected officials) will receive $5,000.00 in addition to your unused vacation and sick leave buy back (of retiring) you may be entitled to under your collective bargaining agreement or personnel policy.
You must file your intention with the Personnel Department no later that March 27, 2009. Your last day of employment will be May 1, 2009. The bonus payment will be paid on May 22, 2009.
If you have any questions regarding this incentive please call the Solicitors Office at 617-394-2230 |
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tetris
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Posted - 12/07/2009 : 7:25:14 PM
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Tails,
It also doesn't say anything about not being able to get your job back (or another job) at some point.
I haven't heard of there being any other documents that define the rules of the program. I guess when you define a program like this in a one page memo, it gives you a lot of latitude in deciding how you're going to administer it. |
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Tails
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Posted - 12/07/2009 : 8:30:35 PM
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Originally posted by tetris
Tails,
It also doesn't say anything about not being able to get your job back (or another job) at some point.
I haven't heard of there being any other documents that define the rules of the program. I guess when you define a program like this in a one page memo, it gives you a lot of latitude in deciding how you're going to administer it.
I hear what you are saying but if you open this can of worms, that totally defeated the purpose of the incentive. As a matter of fact, I would say it was a waste. The bottom line is, the taxpayers paid for it, and the taxpayers paid for their unemployment too. It was a weak incentive, and it's double dipping. If he comes back, the incentive should be paid in FULL and also the collected unemployment.
There's going to be A LOT of unhappy people if this happens. Tetris, do you remember if the incentive was approved by the alderman? |
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tetris
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Posted - 12/07/2009 : 10:32:29 PM
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Tails,
The incentive program was not approved by the City Council. The City Council is not supposed to be invovled in matters of employment per the city charter. However, the City Council did have to approve inter-departmental transfers (not free cash) for the employee leave buyback program ($82,000) and for salary line items (city clerk - $5,900, treasurer - $16,000) to support the implementation of the incentive program.
In no way am I condoning opening up what you described as a "can of worm". All I'm saying is that the way that the program was (or maybe more accurately, wasn't) defined makes it possible. Hasn't there already been one lawsuit over it that the city lost? (Last I heard though, they are planning to/are appealing that decision.) As too often seems to be the case in this city, the best interests of the taxpayers don't always seem to be the paramount concern of its politicians. |
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justme
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Posted - 12/08/2009 : 07:50:11 AM
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| There were a lot of things not covered in that memo....... Like so much of what has come out of City Hall for the last two years, it was half a$$ed. Not only was there no mention of returning to work for the city, there’s nothing requiring the return of the incentive or the money received for accrued sick time. I'm not sure why the salaries in the solicitor's office are so high when they either aren’t involved in something like that or don’t know how to put it together properly. |
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Tails
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Posted - 12/09/2009 : 4:59:40 PM
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Newburyport is not happy with Michael Vetrano and the "Big Gus abandonment" I did not realize he was given 10-12 thousand dollars from them either.
Wednesday, December 9, 2009
"Big Gus" up for sale
Oh blah, blah, blah ... now we find out that the Newburyport Trolley is up for sale, after just one summer of operation. Apparently this guy Michael Vetrano is making a living off being a police officer in Everett, resigning and going off for a year to do something else, then being hired back as a police officer by his buddy, Mayor Carlo DeMaria.
Not to mention he got $10,000-$12,000 in economic development money from the city ...
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“Take this company to the next level,” says the real estate ad for The Newburyport Trolley Co. “Just fuel, insurance, web and telephone.”
After less than a year – and one summer season – in Newburyport, Michael Vetrano is apparently closing up shop with his trolley “Big Gus” and is going back to the police force in Everett.
Last spring and with great fanfare, the city gave the fledgling business “$10,000-$12,000” from an economic development grant.
Ann Ormond, president of the Greater Newburyport Chamber of Commerce and Industry, said this week: "The mayor came to us with some left over grant money and said he would like to do some sort of promotion - something to promote downtown."
Vetrano agreed to run service between the MBTA train station, downtown and Plum Island twice a day on Thursday, Friday, Saturday and Sunday for $1 each way as part of the “Newburyport, Love At First Sight” campaign run by the Chamber, in addition to his historical tours.
Now for a mere $15,000 someone else can take over where Vetrano left off, offering one-hour narrated tours of Newburyport, Newbury and Plum Island. It’s unclear what the status of the grant money is. According to the real estate ad, the company has the only state license available to run a trolley or sight seeing bus in Newburyport.
The service operated from 92 Merrimac Street, which had been the former base of Newburyport Pedicab, a nonprofit transportation service in the city. Ormond said: "He tried to make a go of it, it's a great idea but I'm not sure he had the right business model … You really have to be tied in and have your finger on the pulse of the business community."
Vetrano is a former Everett police officer and according to reports, he hopes to return to the force there for the third time. He resigned from his position as sergeant in 2007 and was reinstated in August of 2008 at the instigation of Everett Mayor Carlo DeMaria. He retired from the police department before starting the trolley business in Newburyport in May. Five years ago Vetrano owned a police uniform business, which he lost to bankruptcy after an illness, according to a July 2009 report in the Boston Globe. He is a boyhood friend of DeMaria.
Newburyport and Everett have another thing in common – William Thibeault, the owner of the contentious landfill on Crow Lane and Wood Waste Boston in Everett. Construction and demolition debris from his Everett facility has been coming to Newburyport for years as part of the long-delayed final capping of the landfill. Thibeault is also a friend of DeMaria.
The trolley, which was reportedly purchased on e-Bay, is assessed at $40,000 and is included in the sale price. The phone service to the Newburyport Trolley Co. has been shut off and Michael Vetrano could not be contacted. |
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justme
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Posted - 12/09/2009 : 7:55:16 PM
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massdee
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Posted - 12/09/2009 : 9:16:48 PM
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Newburyport must be sick of their Everett connections.
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justme
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Posted - 12/10/2009 : 05:26:48 AM
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The more I read about Vetrano, the less I like. I understand he had some medical issues which were the reason for his bankruptcy, but his actions relative to leaving the police force & now the trolley business leave me questioning his thought process.
If he can't see that what he's doing is wrong, how can anyone possibly expect him to be a good police offficer? He's everything we don't want or need here. How can he enforce the law when he has no problem flaunting the loopholes for his own benefit? If he is allowed back, it may be legal, but it sure won't be moral! |
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More Rumors............
