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just wondering
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Posted - 09/05/2008 : 12:26:58 PM
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| I think the proposed ordinance should include transfer stations as well...Im sure someone on the BOA will recommend that before the ordinance reaches its final form. I also think that there will be legal challenges ahead that may prevent applying the ordinance to wood waste at its current location (I say that because he is already under a EPA requirement to build an enclosure with 18 months....which may trump our ordinance). |
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Tails
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 Posted - 09/05/2008 : 12:54:38 PM
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My thought is, yes, the number one priority should be the disappearance of those piles. That said, what happened to Thibeault and Rossi telling the BOA they were “sure” the landfill would reopen in June (which it did not) and if that didn’t happen, plan B was they were going to truck the waste to Ohio and Michigan?
The hearing date was July 14th concerning Crow Lane landfill and word is there was something in that injunction concerning Wood Waste of Boston.
The question was asked right to Rossi’s face that “would we have to wait that long for those piles to be removed?” (wait for the July 14th hearing)
and he blatantly said…..
“Oh no, if the landfill does not reopen, we have the trucks and we will ship those piles to Michigan and Ohio”
The safe quick way would have been by July 14th the city should have filed and injunction that he did not keep his word. According to the last meeting, he does not officially own the land. He can’t take those piles down without the DEP, the AG, going through a council vote and a public hearing and that is per MGL so that is NOT the quickest way.
Also, this is not about the Mayor "exploring" whatever options available. This is about the Mayor pushing for the "cheap route" in favor for Thibeault, not the people. Instead of clearing out snake hill, and working on DCR property, he should be at Wood Waste getting those piles on an truck ,and out of town, and he should not be able to accept ONE MORE POUND of waste until those piles are trucked out and gone.
That’s true, that crack to Simonelli was an insult to the people of Everett. He is way out of touch with reality and he is the one that made this personal with his "association" with Thibeault. He claims he’s only known him for a year, well, I don’t know about anyone else, but I certainly would not have dished out the cash Thibeault did, for the campaign, to someone I don’t know, and hold a campaign fundraiser asking $250.00
I would like to know the answer to Massdee’s question too. Does an outdoor transfer station fall under open air dumps and landfills?
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massdee
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Posted - 09/05/2008 : 1:39:14 PM
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| What is your opinion on the lower Broadway location pertaining to this ordinance? I didn't think it would do anything with Boston Street. I figured that location is grandfathered. I have not changed my opinion on this issue, I am still in favor of the Boston Street site being enclosed. You mentioned the 18 month deadline, do you know when that deadline started? I am curious on how much time has ticked off. |
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just wondering
Senior Member
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Posted - 09/05/2008 : 2:31:05 PM
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| I don't recall the exact dates....my best recollection is that it happened before the council adjourned for the summer (June?) which would put the clock at 15 months. As far as the lower Broadway site goes and the application of this proposed ordinance....I would say it applies, only because I am assuming that the sole reason for the ordinance is to put in place some guidelines for a potential move by Wood Waste. Again...I have no problem with that....although, some legal minds may question the term "open air dump" and the application of the ordinance to a transfer facility. As I said in a previous post, I think the wording of the ordinance....when/if it is finally approved will be modified to ensure that transfer facilities are directly addressed....as it should be. |
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massdee
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Posted - 09/05/2008 : 2:41:50 PM
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So, we are looking at approximately December 2009 as a deadline for the enclosure, wherever that may end up being. What is your opinion on that comment by the mayor about a Class Action Suit against Newburyport, Thibeault and the Attorney General?
Just Wondering, Have you heard any date yet for the Public Meeting on everything Wood Waste? |
Edited by - massdee on 09/05/2008 3:18:24 PM |
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just wondering
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Posted - 09/05/2008 : 6:54:50 PM
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| I haven't heard anything about a date for the public hearing.....but then again, I havent called anyone and asked |
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massdee
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Posted - 09/06/2008 : 09:48:50 AM
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| I have asked, no one seems to know. I just thought you might of heard something. |
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tetris
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Posted - 09/07/2008 : 08:07:04 AM
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Comments on this week's upcoming agenda:
3 & 4) Here come the transfers! I hope that the BOA received more information about these transfers in advance of the meeting than what we see on the agenda. Just a thought; a little more info on the agenda might help keep us yahoos from running wild with speculation. Hmm. Sounds familiar. Where have I heard that before? Again, the Stabilization Fund is used because Free Cash isn't certified yet; this time, we'll assume that the intention is to put the money back when free cash is certified. Let's pray that there is some free cash to do that.
The amount requested and approved in the budget process for the Signal & Shop Equipment Repair Account was $10,000. Now, we are talking about up to an additional $25,000 for this line item. The amount requested and approved in the budget process for the Building Repair & Maintenance Account was $85,000. Now we are talking about up to an additional $90,000 for this line item.
I'll listen to whatever arguments are made for these transfers but it definitely appears as if there may be some type of disconnect somewhere along the way.
6) All in favor of the discontinuation of Fourth Street as long as it is being done correctly.
8) No one has come forward to explain the benefit of living on a private way in a urban area. Don't understand why they still exist. If they became public ways, the issues would go away eventually.
12) Although the item seems to be poorly worded, I think that I understand what Marcus wants to do. To me though, it just seems to be another one those "empty gesture" items that he puts on the agenda every so often just so he can say that he tried to do something for somebody.
14) In my opinion, changing the ordinance won't help the problem go away. The ordinance all ready specifies that "reusable solid waste containers" need to be removed from the sidewalk after pick-up. I think what's needed here is some additional education and, if that doesn't work, the handing out of fines.
15) We knew that Matewsky wouldn't be able to go cold turkey and not have any new "face time" items on the last BOA agenda before the election. At least, its only one item. O.K., it's really two similar items pushed into one agenda item. Ah! What restraint!
16) Probably needs to go to committee. From what I read, there is probably existing language in the present ordinance that would have to changed; you may be able to change it so that this new sub-section isn't even necessary. Also, I wonder if there will be local opposition to this change? I read that Revere is already having a problem with this issue.
18) I'm interested to see where RVC is going with this. For those people expecting to see this item voted up Monday night, it won't be. The correct motion will be to send this item to committee, probably R&O, where a strong ordinance can be crafted. If you are in favor of this item, you should only get upset if it gets killed Monday night. |
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Tails
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Posted - 09/07/2008 : 10:31:34 PM
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These transfers are ridiculous and lets not forget he walked into office with 11 Million in free cash. I will love to hear how much gets certified.
I also would like to make mention that Mayor DeMaria stated last week that "all" the piles at Wood Waste were tarped, when in fact, they are not. There were more piles at Wood Waste on Saturday than I have ever seen. He did say he was not down there, this word came from Mr. Thibeault himself.
I will admit that even though there are more piles of waste than I have ever seen, the smell was not as raunchy as usual. It was also mentioned last week that "odor eaters" were put down..............What took so long for that to happen??? Why didn't he do this LONG ago? Would it be for the fact he needs a council vote and a public hearing to move to lower Broadway? He keeps the city held hostage until he gets what he wants....When will enough be enough???
No one wants him here. He does not live here and he cant smell that staunch of a stink in his mansion but we have to suffer? It's NOT right. Lets stop rewarding him and giving in to his threats.
Carlo is sick of people saying they are "friends"..... well I am sick of hearing "we don't have the money" to fight him in court. It's a cop out and an excuse. But we have the money to go and sue Newburyport and the AG?? Newburyport took a stand for their residents. We all know where the threat of suing Newburyport came from. Carlo needs to gets some go-nads and start doing something for the people of Everett. |
Edited by - Tails on 09/07/2008 10:41:43 PM |
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massdee
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Posted - 09/08/2008 : 7:42:34 PM
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| I just arrived home. What is going on with the meeting? |
Edited by - massdee on 09/08/2008 7:43:58 PM |
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tetris
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Posted - 09/08/2008 : 8:20:20 PM
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Fourth Street passed CC 10-4. Simonelli, Hicks, King and M. Cardello voted against. Smith, McKinnon, Sierra and B. Caredello (?) were absent.
Simmonelli got up and tried to speak from the audience during the public potion of the public hearing. Didn't go over well with RVC.
Other than that, you need to watch the replay; there just too much to even try to cover in a post. |
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massdee
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Posted - 09/08/2008 : 9:10:26 PM
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| Tetris, My daughter walked in toward the end of the BOA discussion on Fourth Street. What was the end result, I didn't hear it. |
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Tails
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Posted - 09/08/2008 : 9:12:47 PM
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My Lord! We are in big trouble. I'm speechless.
As for Simonelli not being able to speak, Rossi should not have been able to stand up in favor of it. He's the lawyer, that's a conflict of interest. I have no faith in the city solicitor either, she is not there for the people and she was totally clueless.
That show tonight was a three ring circus and SHE should have been the one to shut it down. I am convinced the entire administration is clueless and Thibeault just got is foot deeper in the door and just like the DEP said, he will continue to do wrong and keep paying the fines.
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tetris
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Posted - 09/08/2008 : 9:28:00 PM
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| Passed the BOA 4-3. Marchese, Matewsky and Van Campen voted against it. Reconsideration failed in both boards. Didn't forget Rossi on purpose, Tails. Just so much going on, didn't want to get into much detail and it was so quick that it slipped my mind to be honest. Not sure if it is a conflict or not but I thought that Rossi should have at least identified himself as Thibeault's local lawyer when he got up to speak. |
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Tails
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Posted - 09/08/2008 : 9:33:54 PM
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No worries Tetris, I agree with you there, too much going on.
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